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The Precautionary Principle

An administrative perspective

Topics and summary
Peter Gjørtler
Jørgen Henningsen
Question time

How does the law perceive the precautionary principle?
Peter Gjørtler
Lawyer, Dragsted and Helmer Nielsen

How has the European Commission applied the precautionary principle?
Jørgen Henningsen
Former director general of Directorate General XI, Brussels

Summary

PETER GJØRTLER began by stating that the result of the previous day’s vote in the EU meant greater priority for environmental work at policy level, but not at the legal level, as through Article 6, the environment was included in all policy areas.

The new Article 174 continues to build on the same four principles with a view to achieving a high level of protection: the precaution, prevention, local, and payment principles. However, the Amsterdam Treaty contains no final definition of the precautionary principle as a legal norm.

According to Mr Gjørtler, the precautionary principle is more like shaking an index finger at the Union’s citizens and enterprises, telling them that every activity involves a risk, and every doubt about the extent and effects of the risk must benefit the surroundings.

Legally, it provides the Union, both jointly and as individual countries, the opportunity and the duty to intervene in an activity even if there is only a suspicion that it could be harmful, rather than waiting until a scientific basis has been established. However, this also means limitations to an enterprise’s freedom of trade.

According to Mr Gjørtler, Union law provides no guarantee that enterprises should have full and limitless freedom of trade. On the contrary, national regulations which provide for freedom of trade must give way to Union law which requires harmonisation and, for example the principle of free movement of goods.

This raises the problem of when such a fundamental Union-law objective should give way for the benefit of protection of the environment. The answer can be found in the principle of proportionality which provides a number of criteria for Union law to regulate an activity. These criteria make up a kind of minimum level for when the authorities can cite the precautionary principle without adequate evidence that there is, in fact, a risk.

Article 95 in the new Amsterdam Treaty in fact emphasises this by requiring scientific evidence from Member States if they are to cite the so-called environmental guarantee. Mr Gjørtler perceived this tightening as an expression of a desire for better balance between the precautionary principle and the principle of proportionality so that risk is shifted to the benefit of the environment rather than free regulation.

The precautionary principle provides authorities with both the right and the duty to protect the interests of the environment against enterprises. It does not also require enterprises to act environmentally correctly. Mr Gjørtler believed, however, that in a given case, when determining liability the courts would look at whether an enterprise chose the course of action which was most in accordance with the precautionary principle.

Finally, he pointed out an important aspect of the practical application of the precautionary principle in administration, that is the possibility to make freer and more extensive estimates both of a given pollution risk, and of how reasonable it is that society should accept such a risk.

JØRGEN HENNINGSEN, former director general of the European Commission Environmental Directorate, DG 11, called the precautionary principle an expression of common sense, that is, people’s justifiable expectations that the authorities will not just close their eyes to a risk, but that they will take it seriously. He also pointed out that the principle is also applied in other areas such as flight safety, foodstuffs, etc.

According to Mr Henningsen, this is far from a new phenomenon. The principle was first written into the Maastricht Treaty in 1992, but had been applied long before to the same extent as it was after 1992, for example in relation to pesticides in drinking water, and lead in petrol. He emphasised that it is far from without meaning that a requirement relating to the precautionary principle was laid down in the Treaty because of the constant balancing with the principle of proportionality’s demand for cohesion between cause, effect, and regulation.

As an example of the significance of principles laid down in the Treaty, he used the efforts to introduce the principle of principle in the Agriculture Commissioner’s proposal for legislation on pesticides in 1992 which led to an extension of the objectives of surveys and regulation to specific requirements for limiting pollution at source and prevention rather than subsequent correction. Mr Henningsen emphasised the great significance of the precautionary principle and corresponding declarations of intent in the practical implementation of the various framework legislation, in particular in the individual Member States. At the same time he pointed out the EU’s considerable success in including the precautionary principle in the global debate on the importance of protecting the world’s climate and biodiversity, despite the continued scientific uncertainty of future developments and the significance of these.

He concluded that the precautionary principle first of all prevents the dilatory process which arises when every situation must be proved. It does this by laying down in the Treaty the duty for the public and the administration to use their common sense in protecting natural resources.

How does the law perceive the precautionary principle?

Peter Gjørtler
Lawyer, Dragsted and Helmer Nielsen

The Amsterdam Treaty
In a referendum yesterday, Denmark adopted the Amsterdam Treaty. An obvious question is, therefore, how far will this Treaty change application of the precautionary principle?

The short answer is not at all. The important principles for application of the principle are unchanged in the EU Treaty following the amendments made by the Amsterdam Treaty.

It states in Article 3, 1(1), that an environmental policy must be introduced. The principles which are to support this environmental policy are described in Article 130 R (now called Article 174) and are unchanged.

The only point which has been amended is that the duty to involve environmental policy in all other policy areas has now been removed from Article 174 and now appears independently in the new Article 6. This is therefore not an expression of an actual amendment, but more a political upgrading.

The environmental policy of the Union
The objectives of the Union’s environmental policy, according to Article 174, are to achieve a high level of protection where account must be taken of local differences within Union territory when setting such a level.

The principles which are to be applied, according to Article 174, include the precautionary principle, the principle of prevention, the local principle, and the principle of payment.

The principle of payment is an expression of placing liability so that the polluter must pay for the costs of the pollution he causes. This principle can be seen as a message to individual citizens with a view to encouraging them towards environmentally-friendly behaviour as it threatens financial liability for environmentally-harmful actions. However, the principle can hardly comprise the foundation for allocating liability in itself, it must be implemented by legislators. The other principles seem more clearly to aim at the legislators, and put demands on the mechanisms which are applied in law-making.

The principle of prevention requires that pollution must be prevented rather than corrected, and the local principle requires that efforts must primarily be at the source of the pollution so that the risk of spreading is minimised.

The text of the Treaty does not include an ultimate definition of the precautionary principle, and the wording could appear that it is to be considered as an overall principle for approaching environmental issues where the prevention principle and the local principle could be considered more specific statements of a desire for prudence.

The prevention principle and the local principle were included in the EU Treaty as early as in the Community Act of 1986, while the precautionary principle was first added in the Maastricht Treaty in 1992, at the same time as the law-making process in the environment area was reorganised from unanimous to a qualified majority.

However, this is hardly a basis for only understanding the precautionary principle as a collective term. Instead, within the framework of the EU Treaty, it should be provided with the additional content it has received in international-law, including the Rio Declaration of 1992.

The precautionary principle
The primary contents of the precautionary principle can be summarised as a balancing of risk; who should bear the burden of the uncertainty which scientifically may exist in possible contamination resulting from a certain type of behaviour?

The precautionary principle states that it should not be the environment which bears the burden, but rather the enterprises which wish to follow the behaviour creating this scientific doubt.

The precautionary principle must therefore be considered based on a liberal understanding of the legislative system where the individual’s freedom of action can only be limited by legislation in situations where the legislator has good reason to believe that the action can be detrimental to other interests, including through pollution.

The precautionary principle allows the authorities to weaken requirements to prove that an enterprise’s behaviour is causing pollution. Merely by demonstrating a risk that actions can cause pollution can the authorities intervene and regulate the enterprise’s behaviour.

By laying down the principle in Union law, the principle of loyalty in the Article 5 of the EU Treaty must mean that the principle does not only provide for intervention at an early stage in risk assessment, but it also that involves a duty for early intervention.

This duty is primarily aimed towards Union law-makers, but it also applies to national authorities when they are to adopt legislation which can be relevant to realising the goals of the Union. This includes implementing sustainable development which is laid down in Article 2 of the EU Treaty.

The relationship with legal rights
In general, a phenomenon involving an extension of one party’s rights will necessarily mean a limitation of other parties’ rights unless it includes an area with infinite resources.

The situation that legislators’ access and duties to intervene in behaviour which threatens pollution are extended, therefore means that enterprises’ right to freedom of action is narrowed. The situation that intervention can be made on an uncertain basis in relation to the risk of pollution means that the possibilities to intervene can be perceived as a reduction in enterprises’ legal rights.

Consideration of this situation as a legal-rights problem assumes that enterprises have a legal right to freedom of action. This right is not laid down in Union law and can therefore hardly be presented as an argument against harmonised Union law which is adopted on the basis of the precautionary principle.

In relation to national exemptions outside the harmonised areas, or as an extension of minimum harmonisation, Union law will include a requirement for freedom of action in many circumstances.

For example, this will be the case where national rules comprise an obstacle to the free movement of goods. Based on the Cassis de Dijon principle, such obstacles can only be accepted on environmental grounds, provided the fundamental principle of proportionality is respected.

Precisely because the principle of proportionality is a fundamental principle of EU law, it also applies as a requirement for general harmonised Union law in that it should be proportional to its objectives.

In this way, the apparent difference in assessment of harmonised Union law and national exemptions are removed in that, in both cases, there is a duty to conduct an assessment of the extent to which citing the precautionary principle complies with the principle of proportionality.

The principle of proportionality
The fundamental content of the principle of proportionality is that every regulation must serve a definite purpose, that regulation must be necessary in order to achieve this purpose, that it must not have a wider scope than necessary to achieve this purpose, and that, in achieving its purpose, it must provide as little disturbance as possible to those subject to it.

This must mean that the principle of proportionality forms a limit to making free estimates when applying the precautionary principle. Although the precautionary principle releases the law-makers from demonstrating direct evidence of a pollution risk, the principle of proportionality must involve a requirement on the degree of probability which must be shown for the pollution risk to form the basis for intervention.

This balance is most clearly expressed in Article 95, Section 5 (previously Article 100a) of the EC Treaty, as amended by the Amsterdam Treaty. The provisions apply to the so-called environment guarantee and regulate Member States’ ability to introduce stronger national provisions, despite implementation of total harmonisation.

In contrast to the situation of transferring existing rules, which according to Article 95, section 4, can freely be done on the grounds of environmental concerns, Section 5 provides restrictions on the introduction of new provisions.

These provisions must therefore be based on an environmental problem which was unknown at the time of harmonisation, which is specific to the relevant Member State, and which is based on scientific evidence.

This requirement for scientific evidence can be considered as an exception to the precautionary principle, which can be justified by the condition that adoption of harmonised regulations in itself should be on the basis of the precautionary principle. It can also be considered as a definition of the limits which are imposed by the principle of proportionality on application of the precautionary principle.

In my opinion the provisions are most meaningful as an expression of the balance between the precautionary principle and the principle of proportionality such that they show that the precautionary principle does not involve free access to regulation, but it only allows upgrading risk in order to take account of the environment.

Legislation based on the precautionary principle
As mentioned above, Article 174 (previously Article 130) of the EU Treaty mentions the precautionary principle with the principle of proportionality. The two principle are considered synonymous by the legal system in many countries.

Irrespective of whether we choose to consider the principles as separate, it will be possible to construe many initiatives as being built on both the precautionary principle and the principle of proportionality.

For example, this applies to procedural regulations such as the VVM Directive and product regulations such as the Directive on pesticides. Both of these are built on the principle that a survey must be conducted before an action is implemented.

Of course, this can be construed as an instance of prevention in that the previously prepared survey must prevent the occurrence of subsequent pollution. However, it can also be construed as a declaration of precaution in that demands are placed on the elucidation of risk factors before a specific behaviour is permitted.

The VVM Directive does not place requirements on an acceptable pollution risk, but only places requirements on the approach to elucidating the risk.

Similarly, the Directive on pesticides does not make demands on the pesticides which can be approved, but only on the administrative procedures which must be followed for an active substance to be included on the list of ingredients which may be included in pesticides if they are to be approved.

Correspondingly the precautionary principle in Danish legislation is seen in particular as a demand on the process which leads to possible intervention. This appears in Section 3, Paragraph 2 of the Environmental Protection Act which states that not only must account taken of the recognised effects of a pollutant on the environment, but also account must be taken of its likely effects.

The legal effects on enterprises of the precautionary principle
It appears that the precautionary principle primarily contains a requirement for the law-makers to include, not only recognised pollution risks, but also possible pollution risks when assessing potential intervention. At the same time they must respect the principle of proportionality’s requirement for balance.

The question is whether, in addition to this, the precautionary principle can directly or indirectly influence the behaviour of an individual enterprise as a general principle of Union law.

The wording of Article 174 (previously 130r) in the EU Treaty does not provide a basis for the principle to be interpreted as an requirement norm which directly obliges an individual enterprise to choose a course of action based on precaution.

In contrast, an indirect effect could be perceived in the same way as the restrictions on countries’ abilities to implement measures which provide obstacles to free trade. These restrictions effect enterprises’ opportunities to cite intellectual property laws.

The European Court has therefore ruled that if, by citing intellectual property law, an enterprise could cause a split in the market, this represents an obstacle to free trade, and if legislation in a Member State permits this. As a consequence the Member State is obliged to interpret such legislation so that this is not possible.

Therefore, it could be argued that, provided several legal courses of action remain open for an enterprise, the precautionary principle must imply that national provisions regarding liability for pollution should be interpreted such that when identifying liability, the fact that an enterprise did not choose the course of action which is most appropriate to the Precautionary principle has no significance.

Similarly, it could be argued that in such a matter of identifying liability, there must be a duty to interpret the right national process and compensation such that requirements for proof of causality between behaviour and pollution are relieved by the precautionary principle.

The Precautionary Principle

The questions
In the introduction to this conference, four questions were asked about the precautionary principle which I would like to be the first to attempt to answer.

The first question referred to the threshold of what scientific evidence is required according to the precautionary principle. It is precisely this threshold which in my opinion is formed by the principle of proportionality, and in this way the legislator and the administrator balance the extent to which scientific evidence makes causality sufficiently likely to permit intervention under the precaution principle.

This relationship also corresponds to other applications of expert statements in administration, where scientific experts do not have authority to make decisions of legal administration, but merely present information which will be included in the decision.

In many situations, respect for scientific input will imply that there will be little room for manoeuvre for the legal administrators’ decision.

In my opinion, it is crucial to the precautionary principle, that the close relationship between scientific evidence and the legal administration is weakened so that the legal administration has more room to manoeuvre. This also applies to the national legislative process.

The second question applied to people’s demands on application of the principle and how far these demands are limited by the extent of people’s freedom of consumption. Smoking was highlighted as an example where citizens have a choice, and it was compared with drinking water.

In my opinion, the debate on liability for smoking-related diseases in the USA is pointing towards such a distinction becoming irrelevant, in that demands for caution will not only be raised against suppliers of basic necessities, but also against all suppliers who provide products which involve a risk of pollution.

The third question referred to the expected attitudes of industry towards the precautionary principle, and how far there will continue to be demands for full scientific support for intervention in freedom of action.

In my opinion, precisely the potential indirect effect of the precautionary principle - shifting rules for liability and proof in cases of pollution - will mean industry finds it necessary to adapt to the precautionary principle.

Finally, the fourth question was about the skills which we have achieved today to perform cost-benefit analyses of usefulness and pollution risk in relation to the precautionary principle.

Experience has demonstrated repeated errors where actions which were regarded as environmentally harmless, or which were thought to have net social advantages later turned out to have a far greater environmental cost.

In my opinion, this experience corresponds to the central message of the precautionary principle. There should not be a narrow balancing of well-defined pollution risks and operating or social advantages. On the contrary, a freer, more comprehensive estimate must be made of the pollution risks involved in a specific behaviour, and of how reasonable it is that society should accept these risks.

How has the European Commission applied the precautionary principle?

Jørgen Henningsen
Former director general of Directorate General XI, Brussels

Thank you for inviting me today. Originally I was asked to make a legal speech about applying the precautionary principle within EU legislation. However, given that I am a chemical engineer and not a lawyer, we agreed that I should reflect on how I experienced application of the precautionary principle during the ten years in which I had the pleasure of working at the European Commission General Directorate for the Environment, DG 11.

Allow me to start with a quotation which is the political justification of what I will subsequently try to say. When Ken Collins, the Chairman of the European Parliament’s Environmental Committee, once talked about the principle of subsidiarity, he said that this principle, which has been so talked about, in fact reflected no more than good everyday common sense. Very much the same can be said for the precautionary principle. This expresses perhaps, in addition to common sense, people’s justified expectations that legislators and administrators take account of conditions which are not necessarily entirely clear, but which involve risks which should not be ignored.

Firstly, it is important to be aware that when the precautionary principle is especially associated with the environment paragraph in the EU Treaty, this does not mean that the precautionary principle is applied to this area alone. It is also applied in flight safety, foodstuffs, and a large number of other situations. It is very important to be clear about this, and also that the precautionary principle has only rarely been applied as a direct argument with regard to the matters which we deal with. It is also important that the precautionary principle was applied to the same extent before it was included in the treaty in 1992, as it has been since.

There are important elements of the precautionary principle in legislation and various environment -policy measures from the 80s, where preparatory work took place as long ago as the 70s. Pesticide regulation in the Directive on drinking water has been mentioned as an example, where we said that these are biologically active substances which could give rise to beliefs that they could have some effects of which we are not aware. Therefore, they must be limited as far as possible, and in reality, should not appear in drinking water at all.

We could go on to the limiting of lead in petrol where there was a suspicion that lead could affect how children’s intelligence develops, although this was far from proven. Even though epidemiological studies have since reinforced this suspicion, there are still justifiable doubts as to the specific levels. However, no one today would criticise the decision that lead should be removed from petrol, and also reduced in a large number of applications.

One of the points I would like to touch on here is the principle of proportionality which both Erik Lindegaard, the director general of the EPA and Peter Gjørtler have brought up. In everyday life in Brussels, no matter of whether it is within the Commission, or in the interplay between Member States, there is no doubt that the principle of proportionality, that is that there must be cohesion between what is intended and what is proposed, also applies to the precautionary principle.

If it is right that the precautionary principle first and foremost reflects peoples justifiable expectations of how we legislate and how we administer, it is equally right that the precautionary principle provides a constant balancing process against the principle of proportionality.

These introductory remarks could perhaps give the impression that I am indifferent as to whether the precautionary principle is included in the Treaty. Many of the measures and much of the legislation which can be said to reflect the precautionary principle would look exactly the same if the principle was not in the Treaty. However, it is important that, in the first and foremost, the Treaty reflects common sense, and people’s justified expectations. There are of course a number of situations where the Treaty can and should lend weight to an argument.

The best example I have of applying principles in the Treaty is, in fact, not related to the precautionary principle, but to the principle of preventive efforts. This is an example of where, in certain situations, the more general principles in the Treaty, at least from a Danish point of view, can be particularly useful.

When, in 1992, the Commission was to submit a proposal for legislation on pesticides, and please note this was managed and prepared by DG 6, the General Directorate for Agriculture, it included of course a lot of pretty words and principles about studies, regulation, and so on. However, it lacked the principle that pollution should be limited at source, or that preventive measures are preferred to subsequent remedial measures.

In practice, this is to say that, although there is drinking-water legislation which demands that drinking water may only contain a maximum of 0.1 micrograms of pesticide, it follows from the precautionary principle that the unfiltered water used for drinking water should not contain more pesticides than would enable the water to be used as drinking water without it being filtered in the first place.

In DG 11, we had this view included in the Commission’s proposal, and I consider this as one of our clear victories within the Commission. When the proposal was read in the Council, out of 12 Member States, 11 were fiercely against the idea. There was just one country, coincidentally Denmark, which supported the idea.

Two years later, the Directive was adopted after amendment of various points, and not necessarily as one could have wished it to appear. However, the fundamental principle was maintained, that in future, pesticides may only be permanently approved if there is no reason to believe that use of pesticides will give rise to concentrations in water resources, particularly in the ground water but also in surface water, of over 0.1 micrograms.

This demonstrates that it is not unimportant whether principles are laid down in the Treaty, but in many cases daily politics take place according to other criteria. The precautionary principle, just as the other principles which are built into the Treaty today, applies to the same extent to developing policies, as to adopting and implementing legislation. As many have already said, much of our legislation is in the form of framework laws where in reality it is not possible to say precisely how the precautionary principle is to be applied. This is because the answer is first apparent when the framework law is to be applied in practice.

For example, this applies to the Directive on pollution from large industrial enterprises. It applies to the Impact Assessment Directive, and it will also apply to the new Directive on general protection of water resources. The test of whether the precautionary principle is being applied as it should will generally take place in the administration in the individual country and in the execution of the framework law.

It is important that, at the moment, the EU is participating in negotiations on important global problems where the precautionary principle is vital. In particular, the Climate Convention and the Biodiversity Convention are two of the problem issues where we can be particularly pleased to see that EU policies have embraced the precautionary principle, although without explicitly mentioning it to a greater extent than the rest of the world has done.

The EU view, which is not only strongly supported by Denmark, but is also widely supported by most of the Member States, when compared with the view supported by other industrialised countries is that, although there remain justified doubts on a number of possible consequences of the of changes in the climate, the potential consequences are so serious that we should start to take action now.

However, the principle of proportionality is also respected in that we have said that the initiatives which we propose, or the quantitative objectives for limiting green-house gasses are at the moment of such a size that they will not adversely affect normal social development. This also assumes that we can agree on a sensible method of doing this.

All in all, it can be said that the precautionary principle had been part of EU environmental policy for some time before it found its way into the Treaty. It is not a principle which is brought up daily in EU work. It is stated as a matter of course in many places in the preamble to various Directives, but without being an important part of the political debate on the legislation.

However, it is an underlying principle which in general has been accepted, and it is a principle which at least prevents those who in different connections state that there is a lack of definitive evidence for this and that. It prevents using these arguments with weight because the Treaty states hard and fast that common sense must prevail when developing and implementing environmental policy.

Question time with Peter Gjørtler and Jørgen Henningsen

Niels Juul Jensen, Danish Environmental Protection Agency
Peter Gjørtler gave a splendid review of the rules in relation to Union law, and took his point of departure in this. On the other hand, one could ask how he sees this manifested, in particular that part of the law which affects citizens or enterprises. How well is it implemented in Danish legislation?

Peter Gjørtler
It appears in Danish legislation in more or less the same way as in EU legislation. It is mentioned as an overall principle when applying the law. The crucial question is therefore what is the specific legal effect of the principle when it is applied?

At the moment we are relatively weak on this point. On looking at Danish legal practice I have actually not been able to find instances of where the precautionary principle is, in fact, cited. Similarly, in the European Court we can only find a single case where the precautionary principle is cited, but unfortunately the case was thrown out because the prosecutor failed to validate the law suit. This was the case regarding the French nuclear-bomb tests.

If we look more generally at the issue of environmental principles, and citations of them in legal practice, we can identify a total of eight decisions which apply to the application of the principles laid down in Directive 174, previously 130r, the special environment principles. What is demonstrated is the balance between the principles of proportionality and precaution which involves shifting the authority to regulate of the Member States.

This is especially apparent in two cases which relate to hazardous waste in Germany and Belgium. Without it being entirely clear, in these two cases we can also see the foundation for citing the precautionary principle as a legal principle which could also apply to enterprises.

However, at the moment this is only an indication. It is not a statement of actual legal practice, and I do not think that it can be seen in Danish legislation implementation, except the mere mention of the principle. The effect legal practice has on the individual enterprise depends on how legal practice develops.

Peter Skov, the Confederation of Danish Industries
It is interesting whether the precautionary principle has been implemented adequately; whether it is to be found sufficiently clearly stated in Danish legislation. This discussion could continue after our session today. This would mean that if the principle were more clearly stated in the legislation, the bases for applying the principle should also be taken to issue. This could provide a useful exercise as an extension of the discussion.

Jørgen Henningsen has a slightly different approach to this, and I can well understand that he said ‘no thank you’ to providing the legal side of it. The point was that common sense is alive and well, not least in the EU when Denmark plays its part. Reading between the lines it could also be understood that common sense also thrives when Jørgen Henningsen is involved in the EU! My question therefore is whether, with his background in Denmark as a civil servant for many years, he has the same understanding.

I agree that it is a good thing to further discuss and develop the principle, but my other question to him is: What is the real significance of the principle with regard to the way we make laws; the way we relate to the precautionary principle? How do you assess this in relation to your career in the EU?

Jørgen Henningsen
When I use an example from my own area to show how the combination of the Danish way of looking at things and EU legislation could interact, it was not to emphasise my own expertise. It is clear the civil servants in the Commission who come from countries which are used to leading relatively high-profile environmental policies have the principle more deeply ingrained than others. However, it would be very wrong if I gave the impression that we were a small band of holier-than-thou redeemers in DG 11.

In fact, there is wide interest in DG 11 to conduct ambitious environmental policies in the EU. In recent years, this ambition has spread to other General Directorates. It was a great pleasure to see how much we were supported by DG 3 in our discussions with the car industry on petrol consumption, so that we were able to pressurise industry into allowing more to be done in this direction.

Developments in the legal-political area in Brussels are leading in the direction where the precautionary principle is something for which there is common sympathy, and which is often accepted as a basis for legislation, although it is not necessarily cited.

It is clear that people moan each time application of the precautionary principle comes up against established interests within a certain sector, region, or Member State. However, it falls completely into step with the precautionary principle as an expression of common sense, and common sense in the political process has the same elements.

Therefore, I will not say anything about career opportunities on the basis of the precautionary principle, and anyway, I am now out of the system. However, the precautionary principle is deeply involved in daily administration in Brussels, in the environmental area, and in a number of other areas.

Peter Skov
I would just like to add that I can not have expressed myself clearly. I actually asked you because of your background in the Danish administration, where for many years you have worked with environmental matters. We have some extensive rules in the EU for application of the precautionary principle. My question was whether there was adequate common sense at the time you worked with Danish environmental matters.

Jørgen Henningsen
The broad political motivation behind the things which happen or do not happen is what is crucial. A better answer is perhaps that for me it has always been a little bizarre that EU environmental policy in the form of the Fifth Environmental Action Programme from the Rio Conference was, in fact, strongest in the years leading up to the Maastricht Treaty.

The success of the legislative initiatives after 1992 is less obvious than in the years before 1992, when a number of extensive laws were adopted. Attempts are now being made to implement these. Amendments to treaties are more often a reflection of what has happened in the past than what it is necessarily possible to implement in the future.

I am reluctant to make a precise comparison between my work in Brussels and Copenhagen as there was a ten years’ difference, and there are so many other things which make it hard to compare. In Denmark, environmental policy blossomed in the late ‘70s and early ‘80s, and this happened at a different time in Brussels. It was not because I moved to Brussels at this time. It was a coincidence that, at that time, a number of the countries had not really started in this area when we were already well on the way; Spain, Italy, and others, became aware that this was a serious issue. Therefore, both in the Commission and in the Council, there was a basis to really get things going.

It is this which makes me say that people’s expectations and common sense are expressed in these principles. It should not be understood in the same way as property rights or the right to assemble or other principles which are included in the constitution.

Helga Moes, Member of Parliament (Folketing), the Liberal Party
I would like to make a link. In the introduction, there was talk of openness. This is a central issue in the precautionary principle. If no one holds the principle on a very short lead, it is sure to run away with us. This was clear from the last talk.

It is not enough that Denmark arrives with some opinion or other which we pour out over the rest of the world. We can link this to the detection of AMPA. In this case, it was not said that if we find AMPA, and it has other origins, then the detection of AMPA in itself is decisive that the substance should be phased out. Instead, it was said that if it comes from glyphosate, it must be phased out. If it comes from other sources, we must look at it in another way.

When we go out and ask people to react with common sense to such a report, they laugh and say, "Groundwater is groundwater, and AMPA is AMPA. It is irrelevant whether is or not it is toxic, or where it comes from". So, something has run away with us, political power has entered the arena.

The great threat in the precautionary principle is that it has been abused from the outset by people with special interests. It is not based on common sense but on political abuse of power. Therefore, openness becomes necessary. This means we must go out and talk to individual citizens. We must tell them that if they drink water with 0.1 micrograms of atracine, they can drink 2,800 cubic metres of water each day for ten years before they are harmed by the atracine. Nevertheless, people will say, "It is the water which is dangerous".

We have to get people’s support if we do not want political power to run away with us. I would like to ask how far the civil servants who administer the precautionary principle are willing to be open so that people join in and no longer suffer from the anxiety which was once forced upon us. What will civil servants do when people with common sense arrive and say, "It doesn’t matter whether AMPA in groundwater originates from households or from pesticides, whether there are 0.1 or 0.2 micrograms, if AMPA isn’t dangerous". Will you submit to changes in public opinion? That is, will you change your administration of the precautionary principle?

Peter Gjørtler
This question has two perspectives. The first is the risk of abuses of power when applying the precautionary principle. This situation, that the precautionary principle is a ‘soft’ principle allows for considerations other than protection of the environment to creep in.

I tried to address this and I also understood that Jørgen Henningsen agrees that there is an on-going balance between environmental considerations enabled by the precautionary principle, and the fundamental legal principle of proportionality, including that every legal act and every intervention must meet a specific objective and only that objective. That is, the principle of proportionality includes a limit to involving unwelcome considerations.

Then you ask about how we monitor that this happens. Important strides have been taken in the Maastricht Treaty and even more in the Amsterdam Treaty to try and bring about openness in both the political process and in the legal administrative process in the EU system.

Some will say that such strides had essentially already been taken at institutional level, before Amsterdam. However, what is important with the new Treaty is that laid down in the text of the Treaty is that there must be free access to information, and there must be openness in the political decision-making process so that the important criteria on are also presented when deciding an intervention and other legal actions.

Jørgen Henningsen
A remark on the question of regulation of pesticides in drinking water. Openness is of course important in application of the precautionary principle, just as it is in so many things, both in the EU, and in Denmark.

But, especially in respect of the pesticide parameter, we have revised the Directive on Drinking Water recently and we had a long debate about whether we should retain the drinking-water parameter at 0.1 micrograms for all pesticides, irrespective of how hazardous they are. It was clearly political that the Commission retained the old pesticide parameter. This is not so bad. The Commission assessed that it is irrelevant whether it was administratively possible to set different parameters for different pesticides which reflect their relative danger. It could be done in a way which would maintain respect for the precautionary principle, but there was no political desire to change the conditions reflected in the Directive on Drinking Water, namely that pesticides have no place in drinking water.

Pesticides are something we use in agriculture. Pesticides are the only situation where it is permitted to spread hazardous chemicals in the environment. Therefore, this must be done in such a way that they will not turn up in the ground water or in drinking water. I do not consider this a misuse of the precautionary principle.

The old parameter for pesticide was set long before anyone discussed the precautionary principle. It must not be understood as being based solely on the precautionary principle. It is clear that respect for the precautionary principle provides strict demands, but it goes further than that, and I believe that it is also fully legitimate to do this in a political context.

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